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	<title>Comments on: MP3 Discussion Group: Burial/Four Tet&#8217;s &#8220;Moth&#8221;/&#8221;Wolf Cub&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Lockett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Lockett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parting shot, but not really directly about the collab, more to do with the quality of input. I still prefer the earlier Burial material to more recent efforts. The first e.p., South London Boroughs&quot; (Hyperdub, 2005), was edgier with nice noir-ish atmospheres. Had more impact for me. Sounded like a roughed-up jerkier version of dub techno. Try youtubing these two tracks from that e.p.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek8D30DidHw and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acb5EGSiqug
Compare and contrast with these current tracks. I know which wins for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parting shot, but not really directly about the collab, more to do with the quality of input. I still prefer the earlier Burial material to more recent efforts. The first e.p., South London Boroughs&#8221; (Hyperdub, 2005), was edgier with nice noir-ish atmospheres. Had more impact for me. Sounded like a roughed-up jerkier version of dub techno. Try youtubing these two tracks from that e.p.: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek8D30DidHw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek8D30DidHw</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acb5EGSiqug" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acb5EGSiqug</a><br />
Compare and contrast with these current tracks. I know which wins for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Gable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Gable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still pondering why, as collaborations go, this is nothing special. I listened last night to some Burial so have a better idea of the style. 

In the case of the Kieran Hebden/Steve Reid duets, because one is electronics and one is drums, there is no confusion about what they are trying to do. Sometimes they successfully mesh and sometimes it just doesn&#039;t work, but it almost always sounds original (and different from each has done individually).

Lauren is right in saying the Burial brings some warmth to Four Tet. And in the parts of Moth with the strong rhythmic line, (presumably) Hebden provides the harder-edged, more mechanical but still interesting sound. But it never achieves anything close to what each artist has done on his own. So I also agree with Alan there is little or no synergy here.

On the commerde side, I have no idea what kind of sales volume each artist has but even with this reasonably clever  marketing approach, it doesn&#039;t seem like this pairing will be much of a breakout for either, although I suppose every bit counts. 

Still, Radiohead&#039;s In Rainbows eventually made it to the retail CD format with considerable success so maybe there is reason to have a CD of some sort to follow here as well. Having now heard it, I might not buy exactly this material but a remix to further blend the input might be fun and/or interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still pondering why, as collaborations go, this is nothing special. I listened last night to some Burial so have a better idea of the style. </p>
<p>In the case of the Kieran Hebden/Steve Reid duets, because one is electronics and one is drums, there is no confusion about what they are trying to do. Sometimes they successfully mesh and sometimes it just doesn&#8217;t work, but it almost always sounds original (and different from each has done individually).</p>
<p>Lauren is right in saying the Burial brings some warmth to Four Tet. And in the parts of Moth with the strong rhythmic line, (presumably) Hebden provides the harder-edged, more mechanical but still interesting sound. But it never achieves anything close to what each artist has done on his own. So I also agree with Alan there is little or no synergy here.</p>
<p>On the commerde side, I have no idea what kind of sales volume each artist has but even with this reasonably clever  marketing approach, it doesn&#8217;t seem like this pairing will be much of a breakout for either, although I suppose every bit counts. </p>
<p>Still, Radiohead&#8217;s In Rainbows eventually made it to the retail CD format with considerable success so maybe there is reason to have a CD of some sort to follow here as well. Having now heard it, I might not buy exactly this material but a remix to further blend the input might be fun and/or interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac Linder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac Linder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 02:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not much to weigh in on as it seems that the discussion this round is winding down, though I did want to agree quickly with Lauren&#039;s reading of Burial&#039;s vocals. As one of my favorites (Terre Thaemlitz) has said, &quot;house was never so much a sound as a situation.&quot; That is to say that the thing that made Untrue such a vastly more successful record for me than his debut was not the vocals themselves but the way they functioned- their relationship to queer black latino/a and transgender communities and these communities relationships to electronic music diasporas (Jamacian immigrants in LDN, for example). 

Others have written about the pitch-shifting as as a way of confounding the way that we hear gender and I affirm a way of listening that does not close the presence of the voice within the gendered matrix of the always-already female &#039;diva&#039; as much as it might open up the question of how exactly it is that we &#039;hear&#039; gender in music. Maybe it&#039;s just me but it&#039;s in the ambiguity (admittedly not *as* present in these tracks as in other places in Burial&#039;s work) that the sex-appeal resides, that the machine desires.  

anyway, i love the mp3 discussion format and really hope to see more of these take off in the future. it has the potential to be a great series. 

and of course, a lingering question: the initial snafu with track titling, labeling, encoding and authoring raised nascent questions about metadata and the authorial imperative in digitally circulated sound. not articulatable yet, but perhaps there will be some fortunate reason to dig in next time round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not much to weigh in on as it seems that the discussion this round is winding down, though I did want to agree quickly with Lauren&#8217;s reading of Burial&#8217;s vocals. As one of my favorites (Terre Thaemlitz) has said, &#8220;house was never so much a sound as a situation.&#8221; That is to say that the thing that made Untrue such a vastly more successful record for me than his debut was not the vocals themselves but the way they functioned- their relationship to queer black latino/a and transgender communities and these communities relationships to electronic music diasporas (Jamacian immigrants in LDN, for example). </p>
<p>Others have written about the pitch-shifting as as a way of confounding the way that we hear gender and I affirm a way of listening that does not close the presence of the voice within the gendered matrix of the always-already female &#8216;diva&#8217; as much as it might open up the question of how exactly it is that we &#8216;hear&#8217; gender in music. Maybe it&#8217;s just me but it&#8217;s in the ambiguity (admittedly not *as* present in these tracks as in other places in Burial&#8217;s work) that the sex-appeal resides, that the machine desires.  </p>
<p>anyway, i love the mp3 discussion format and really hope to see more of these take off in the future. it has the potential to be a great series. </p>
<p>and of course, a lingering question: the initial snafu with track titling, labeling, encoding and authoring raised nascent questions about metadata and the authorial imperative in digitally circulated sound. not articulatable yet, but perhaps there will be some fortunate reason to dig in next time round.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the delay in responding Marc. I do like the digital reproductions of the record you added. I&#039;m not sure the 12&quot; format itself is particularly special though. Vinyl is increasingly popular again which is a nice counter-weight to the predominant virtualisation of the medium.

And re contemporary listening habits and music packaging, I posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eleventhvolume.com/miscellany/2009/04/20/10-questions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my responses&lt;/a&gt; to a set of questions from a student researching the subject on my blog which may be of interest.

Re: your reference to Bush of Ghosts - Hassell was due to be the third element in that release and remains to this day annoyed that Eno and Byrne recorded it without him. 

Regarding the 12&quot; in question, undoubtedly the level of discussion on the web is a result of Burial&#039;s reclusive, but widely admired approach to music. Despite being initially alienated by the hype, I now think he deserves much of the attention. This collaboration is an interesting, unexpected and welcome development. In itself I think it&#039;s fairly slight, but it may be significantly enriched by further work by the pair. I hope that&#039;s the case!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the delay in responding Marc. I do like the digital reproductions of the record you added. I&#8217;m not sure the 12&#8243; format itself is particularly special though. Vinyl is increasingly popular again which is a nice counter-weight to the predominant virtualisation of the medium.</p>
<p>And re contemporary listening habits and music packaging, I posted <a href="http://www.eleventhvolume.com/miscellany/2009/04/20/10-questions/" rel="nofollow">my responses</a> to a set of questions from a student researching the subject on my blog which may be of interest.</p>
<p>Re: your reference to Bush of Ghosts &#8211; Hassell was due to be the third element in that release and remains to this day annoyed that Eno and Byrne recorded it without him. </p>
<p>Regarding the 12&#8243; in question, undoubtedly the level of discussion on the web is a result of Burial&#8217;s reclusive, but widely admired approach to music. Despite being initially alienated by the hype, I now think he deserves much of the attention. This collaboration is an interesting, unexpected and welcome development. In itself I think it&#8217;s fairly slight, but it may be significantly enriched by further work by the pair. I hope that&#8217;s the case!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Lockett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Lockett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting musings from Marc, but today my thoughts haven&#039;t been about format matters, though I recognise they matter. I’m more about Rhythm and Sound. Yesterday I talked topping. Today I’m talking base. And mainly Burial, as Fourtet isn’t my area. Like I said, I’m not a card-carrying member of either’s fanclub, but it’s like I’ve done my Burial archaeology, while Fourtet has been something I’ve vaguely dug into here and there. 

Burial’s beats have usually been clunky constructions, wrought by intermediate technology. His programme of choice is Soundforge, a fairly unsophisticated bit of ware; it’s no Max/MSP or Ableton Live. Deliberately DIY, you might say. Most of his rhythms are derived from 2-step&#039;s jerky synco-swing template, but rendered slightly ‘off’. He’s not actually ‘proper’ dubstep, but post-dubstep, i.e. knowingly appropriating elements from the dubstep template and grafting other elements onto it. But, of course, dub-step is a hybrid anyway, and different acts accentuate one or another genre element from the palette, or by adding another ‘new’ colour. In the case of many of the Bristol artists (e.g. Peverelist, Pinch, Headhunter), that colouring has typically been a post-Berlin/Basic Channel techno derivation. Likewise with 2562 and Martyn in the Netherlands (sidenote: I tend to be drawn more to this orientation). 

Anyway, with Burial, his beat is not techno-tronic. With Rhythm, his preferred flayvah is UK garage and house choons, and, with Sound, there’s been an appealing ‘ambient’ influence; the ambient sound of rain has apparently been a big thing for Burial, and there’s a heavy use of [g]rainy textures in his productions. With (the track here ID-ed as) “Wolf Cub” (but almost certainly really “Moth”), the beat is comparatively pedestrian, so my ears quest for gratification upstairs. Topping? Hmmm, the textural element seem not that interesting to these ears, especially as track time goes by beyond 4 minutes. With (the track here ID-ed as) “Moth” (but almost certainly really “Wolf Cub”), the textures present in-your-face, but when the beats arrive, they’re pretty much a version of the kind of wonky (not Wonky) stuff he’s done before, but kind of oddly displaced; like, in the rhythm and sound equation, they’re less about rhythm than sound. But I’m still not satisfied by either. I dunno, I’m still working out why neither track works for me as well as some of the better pieces they’ve done solo. And it seems to be that somewhere between beat base and ambient topping, the synergy isn’t there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting musings from Marc, but today my thoughts haven&#8217;t been about format matters, though I recognise they matter. I’m more about Rhythm and Sound. Yesterday I talked topping. Today I’m talking base. And mainly Burial, as Fourtet isn’t my area. Like I said, I’m not a card-carrying member of either’s fanclub, but it’s like I’ve done my Burial archaeology, while Fourtet has been something I’ve vaguely dug into here and there. </p>
<p>Burial’s beats have usually been clunky constructions, wrought by intermediate technology. His programme of choice is Soundforge, a fairly unsophisticated bit of ware; it’s no Max/MSP or Ableton Live. Deliberately DIY, you might say. Most of his rhythms are derived from 2-step&#8217;s jerky synco-swing template, but rendered slightly ‘off’. He’s not actually ‘proper’ dubstep, but post-dubstep, i.e. knowingly appropriating elements from the dubstep template and grafting other elements onto it. But, of course, dub-step is a hybrid anyway, and different acts accentuate one or another genre element from the palette, or by adding another ‘new’ colour. In the case of many of the Bristol artists (e.g. Peverelist, Pinch, Headhunter), that colouring has typically been a post-Berlin/Basic Channel techno derivation. Likewise with 2562 and Martyn in the Netherlands (sidenote: I tend to be drawn more to this orientation). </p>
<p>Anyway, with Burial, his beat is not techno-tronic. With Rhythm, his preferred flayvah is UK garage and house choons, and, with Sound, there’s been an appealing ‘ambient’ influence; the ambient sound of rain has apparently been a big thing for Burial, and there’s a heavy use of [g]rainy textures in his productions. With (the track here ID-ed as) “Wolf Cub” (but almost certainly really “Moth”), the beat is comparatively pedestrian, so my ears quest for gratification upstairs. Topping? Hmmm, the textural element seem not that interesting to these ears, especially as track time goes by beyond 4 minutes. With (the track here ID-ed as) “Moth” (but almost certainly really “Wolf Cub”), the textures present in-your-face, but when the beats arrive, they’re pretty much a version of the kind of wonky (not Wonky) stuff he’s done before, but kind of oddly displaced; like, in the rhythm and sound equation, they’re less about rhythm than sound. But I’m still not satisfied by either. I dunno, I’m still working out why neither track works for me as well as some of the better pieces they’ve done solo. And it seems to be that somewhere between beat base and ambient topping, the synergy isn’t there.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Weidenbaum</title>
		<link>http://disquiet.com/2009/05/18/burial-four-tet-moth-wolf-cub/comment-page-1/#comment-6614</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Weidenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 17:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, about the packaging and promotion of this particular release. 

In many ways, the set&#039;s appearance as a black-label, plain-package, limited-edition release is ordinary within the confines of the zone in which it&#039;s appearing. In all manner of club (and more broadly electronic) music (i.e., hip-hop, techno, house, disco, and so on), the 12&quot; vinyl record has provided a primary distribution mode. A spare black or white label 12” generally means the thing can get shipped out the door as quickly as possible. That way it can start making its way through the music/culture ecosystem, getting play in DJ sets, leading to some sense of feedback on the part of musician and label. 

This is less the norm now than it had been. Time was, DJ pools and record companies and small record stores together enabled the 12&quot; to serve as a test balloon -- float it out there, see if it catches wind. 

Nowadays, MP3s and grey-market Internet distribution, as well as digital retail, handle much of how music makes its way to listeners. “Scarcity” is a fairly meaningless concept. There is some music that remains relatively difficult to find, especially bootlegs of non-commercial releases (for example, I keep reading about recordings of recent live Bill Laswell sessions with DJ Krush but haven&#039;t heard any of it), yet the days when if you couldn&#039;t locate, say, a copy of Aphex Twin &quot;Hangable Auto Bulb&quot; EP you probably didn&#039;t hear it for awhile, if ever, are over. 

Heck, some of the commentary I&#039;ve seen on &quot;Moth&quot;/&quot;Wolf Cub&quot; has mentioned that the Burial material resembles prior, unreleased work (which is to say, unreleased commercially, yet readily accessible). The market has fewer tools than ever to regular what&#039;s heard, let alone what&#039;s released. (Lest that come off as a complaint, please understand I mean it&#039;s an improvement, not a decline.)

I would be highly surprised if Burial and Four Tet&#039;s &quot;Moth&quot;/&quot;Wolf Cub&quot; isn&#039;t followed by additional, related releases, which are then collected on a proper album. I think back to how those long ago Tortoise remixes appeared in lovely individual yellow-label 12”s many years ago, just like the 12&quot;s that came to form Kosma&#039;s New Aspects in Third Stream, just to name two examples.

As a sales promotion, the Burial/Four Tet set has clearly been successful. However, that mode isn&#039;t scalable. If every semi-major electronic act started doing what I&#039;d term &quot;scarcity promotion,&quot; the overall scarcity of the experience would be severely diminished. (It&#039;s sort of like the Nine Inch Nails app for iTunes. It&#039;s a great innovation, but in time, when there are 100s of these apps for every major and minor band, the idea of a dedicated app will seem less feasible, less manageable, less warranted.)

So on the one hand, the 12&quot; is an expected mode for the Burial/Four Tet release, yet on the other, such a 12&quot; is somewhat out of its time, especially given the popularity of both of these artists. 

Lauren and Alan&#039;s comments about nostalgia come to mind here. The 12&quot; itself carries an aura not unlike that of the diva figurations we&#039;ve been discussing: a taste of times past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, about the packaging and promotion of this particular release. </p>
<p>In many ways, the set&#8217;s appearance as a black-label, plain-package, limited-edition release is ordinary within the confines of the zone in which it&#8217;s appearing. In all manner of club (and more broadly electronic) music (i.e., hip-hop, techno, house, disco, and so on), the 12&#8243; vinyl record has provided a primary distribution mode. A spare black or white label 12” generally means the thing can get shipped out the door as quickly as possible. That way it can start making its way through the music/culture ecosystem, getting play in DJ sets, leading to some sense of feedback on the part of musician and label. </p>
<p>This is less the norm now than it had been. Time was, DJ pools and record companies and small record stores together enabled the 12&#8243; to serve as a test balloon &#8212; float it out there, see if it catches wind. </p>
<p>Nowadays, MP3s and grey-market Internet distribution, as well as digital retail, handle much of how music makes its way to listeners. “Scarcity” is a fairly meaningless concept. There is some music that remains relatively difficult to find, especially bootlegs of non-commercial releases (for example, I keep reading about recordings of recent live Bill Laswell sessions with DJ Krush but haven&#8217;t heard any of it), yet the days when if you couldn&#8217;t locate, say, a copy of Aphex Twin &#8220;Hangable Auto Bulb&#8221; EP you probably didn&#8217;t hear it for awhile, if ever, are over. </p>
<p>Heck, some of the commentary I&#8217;ve seen on &#8220;Moth&#8221;/&#8221;Wolf Cub&#8221; has mentioned that the Burial material resembles prior, unreleased work (which is to say, unreleased commercially, yet readily accessible). The market has fewer tools than ever to regular what&#8217;s heard, let alone what&#8217;s released. (Lest that come off as a complaint, please understand I mean it&#8217;s an improvement, not a decline.)</p>
<p>I would be highly surprised if Burial and Four Tet&#8217;s &#8220;Moth&#8221;/&#8221;Wolf Cub&#8221; isn&#8217;t followed by additional, related releases, which are then collected on a proper album. I think back to how those long ago Tortoise remixes appeared in lovely individual yellow-label 12”s many years ago, just like the 12&#8243;s that came to form Kosma&#8217;s New Aspects in Third Stream, just to name two examples.</p>
<p>As a sales promotion, the Burial/Four Tet set has clearly been successful. However, that mode isn&#8217;t scalable. If every semi-major electronic act started doing what I&#8217;d term &#8220;scarcity promotion,&#8221; the overall scarcity of the experience would be severely diminished. (It&#8217;s sort of like the Nine Inch Nails app for iTunes. It&#8217;s a great innovation, but in time, when there are 100s of these apps for every major and minor band, the idea of a dedicated app will seem less feasible, less manageable, less warranted.)</p>
<p>So on the one hand, the 12&#8243; is an expected mode for the Burial/Four Tet release, yet on the other, such a 12&#8243; is somewhat out of its time, especially given the popularity of both of these artists. </p>
<p>Lauren and Alan&#8217;s comments about nostalgia come to mind here. The 12&#8243; itself carries an aura not unlike that of the diva figurations we&#8217;ve been discussing: a taste of times past.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Giniger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Giniger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 06:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So first, it seems that the track I wrote about yesterday was actually Wolf Club. And in reference/agreement with the effects of repeated listening, my response today to Wolf Club is by degrees more engaged. Today I hear something more beautiful altogether, and even a bit moving.

This exercise is an unusual way for me to &quot;warm up to music.&quot; In many ways I am a typical music consumer; I listen to a lot of music in the background. It&#039;s disciplined for me to sit and listen to music as a foreground exercise, with all of the distractions and comforts of home. But yet, this deeper listen is what led me to hear something warmer and purposeful in Wolf Club. For this, I&#039;m grateful.

As for the ghostly ambient twinges, they are very backgrounded in the mix. They sound like air bubbling up from some abyss, some deep black sea murk of sounds, such as one might hear pinging around a submarine. 

Burial, indeed.

His willful personal obscurity, his recognizable sound, the purposeful abstracted nature of this release. It all adds up to a pretty seamless aesthetic -- admirable. But difficult.

I have to put up a defense here for what might be, again, a more populist response to Burial&#039;s use of female vocal samples. Sure the diva vocal is clichéd, easy, cheesy. But Burial repurposed those samples on ambient layer in the density of his sound -- quite stripped of any put-on, strained for sexiness (and the result was more honestly sexy.) Those sounds nod to not only the bleak walk home at 5am, but also to the connection and warmth of that dance floor at 2 AM, and importantly, nod to the roots of club music, a haven for black and gay men.
I guess I dig it as sign, and signifier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So first, it seems that the track I wrote about yesterday was actually Wolf Club. And in reference/agreement with the effects of repeated listening, my response today to Wolf Club is by degrees more engaged. Today I hear something more beautiful altogether, and even a bit moving.</p>
<p>This exercise is an unusual way for me to &#8220;warm up to music.&#8221; In many ways I am a typical music consumer; I listen to a lot of music in the background. It&#8217;s disciplined for me to sit and listen to music as a foreground exercise, with all of the distractions and comforts of home. But yet, this deeper listen is what led me to hear something warmer and purposeful in Wolf Club. For this, I&#8217;m grateful.</p>
<p>As for the ghostly ambient twinges, they are very backgrounded in the mix. They sound like air bubbling up from some abyss, some deep black sea murk of sounds, such as one might hear pinging around a submarine. </p>
<p>Burial, indeed.</p>
<p>His willful personal obscurity, his recognizable sound, the purposeful abstracted nature of this release. It all adds up to a pretty seamless aesthetic &#8212; admirable. But difficult.</p>
<p>I have to put up a defense here for what might be, again, a more populist response to Burial&#8217;s use of female vocal samples. Sure the diva vocal is clichéd, easy, cheesy. But Burial repurposed those samples on ambient layer in the density of his sound &#8212; quite stripped of any put-on, strained for sexiness (and the result was more honestly sexy.) Those sounds nod to not only the bleak walk home at 5am, but also to the connection and warmth of that dance floor at 2 AM, and importantly, nod to the roots of club music, a haven for black and gay men.<br />
I guess I dig it as sign, and signifier.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Weidenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Weidenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 05:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For fun, I added, up above, as a postscript to the main post, visual representations of the blank packaging of &quot;Moth&quot;/&quot;Wolf Cub&quot; from three different websites.</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Gable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Gable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding repeated listening, I seldom like a particular track the more I hear it, study it, understand it etc. On the other hand, the more tracks I hear from a particular artist, the more I tend to warm up to the music. These has even worked with otherwise unappealing modernist composers like Charles Wuorinen and Milton Babbitt. It&#039;s possible the ability to create and decide my take on their &quot;greatest hits&quot; by choosing relative favorites results in increasing attraction on an absolute basis. I don&#039;t think these two selections will achieve this effect. 

In hindsight, the track I heard on Pandora was Moth as I remember the surface noise at the beginning of the recording. Funny how one remembers what one dislikes.

On third listen, this track lacks what I like about some other Four Tet songs e.g. Swimmer from the Ringer EP, namely, a strong sense of mechanistic and precise rhythm. This one is propulsive but just not as crisp.

As far as switching titles, I blame it on abstraction. This might never have happened in the more concrete world of A and B sides on a 45 record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding repeated listening, I seldom like a particular track the more I hear it, study it, understand it etc. On the other hand, the more tracks I hear from a particular artist, the more I tend to warm up to the music. These has even worked with otherwise unappealing modernist composers like Charles Wuorinen and Milton Babbitt. It&#8217;s possible the ability to create and decide my take on their &#8220;greatest hits&#8221; by choosing relative favorites results in increasing attraction on an absolute basis. I don&#8217;t think these two selections will achieve this effect. </p>
<p>In hindsight, the track I heard on Pandora was Moth as I remember the surface noise at the beginning of the recording. Funny how one remembers what one dislikes.</p>
<p>On third listen, this track lacks what I like about some other Four Tet songs e.g. Swimmer from the Ringer EP, namely, a strong sense of mechanistic and precise rhythm. This one is propulsive but just not as crisp.</p>
<p>As far as switching titles, I blame it on abstraction. This might never have happened in the more concrete world of A and B sides on a 45 record.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Weidenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Weidenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert: I half think the ghostly motives in these tracks fit with the releae’s split delivery systems -- part archaic physical form (a 12&quot;, not even a CD), and part happenstance distribution through the Internet&#039;s grey markets (streams, downloads, the inevitable remixes -- maybe someone&#039;s already merged the two tracks into one, somewhere). To that extent, those fragile sounds are creatures of, representative of, their time. The first opportunity I had to hear the release, the streams I&#039;d located were mic&#039;d so closely that the opening wasn&#039;t just the quiet near-silent intro, but the pre-intro intro of the rough vinyl (the sound for which you have a stated aversion), and several listens passed before I fully convinced myself that the vinyl sound was external to the composition, and not part of what I was intended to be listening to. It said something to me about our moment that I had to make a conscious decision to listen through the noise rather than to it.

Alan, regarding the &quot;diva figuration&quot;: Yeah, that&#039;s a clear distinction: (1) how that sound -- a woman&#039;s erotic-yet-generic, wan-yet-charismatic voice -- functions in electronic music, and (2) the separate issue of whether there&#039;s an appeal to the listener. They are separate matters, I agree. You bring it around with the &quot;In McDonalds&quot; track, and your sense that to Burial (you have as Bill Cowan, and I saw &quot;William Bevan&quot; in The Independent -- any sense of which is what?) that presence is a representation of a sense of loss, traced to early, now halcyon house-partying. Makes sense to me. As such voices go, the one on this track bothers me less than most, but still a distraction when it comes around. And now when I listen to it, I’m going to hear your nostalgia tinge.

Lauren: If it&#039;s not too much to ask, and only if your listening is taking you in that direction, could you talk a bit more about the &quot;ghostly ambient whispers,&quot; since Alan and I found them off-putting? 

And Colin, thanks for having posted. I&#039;ve been listening to the latest Jon Hassell a lot, and I heard what you hear -- much as I hear a lot of My Life in the Bush of Ghosts, as well as some of Peter Gabriel&#039;s soundtrack work (Birdy, Last Temptation). (That said, I also hear a lot of Bitches Brew and In a Silent Way in the latest Hassell, so there&#039;s always these cycles of repetition and homage.) I have a side question for you (if you happen upon this post again), which is what you think of the “packaging” of the release, given your website&#039;s (hardformat.org) focus on the packaging/design of music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert: I half think the ghostly motives in these tracks fit with the releae’s split delivery systems &#8212; part archaic physical form (a 12&#8243;, not even a CD), and part happenstance distribution through the Internet&#8217;s grey markets (streams, downloads, the inevitable remixes &#8212; maybe someone&#8217;s already merged the two tracks into one, somewhere). To that extent, those fragile sounds are creatures of, representative of, their time. The first opportunity I had to hear the release, the streams I&#8217;d located were mic&#8217;d so closely that the opening wasn&#8217;t just the quiet near-silent intro, but the pre-intro intro of the rough vinyl (the sound for which you have a stated aversion), and several listens passed before I fully convinced myself that the vinyl sound was external to the composition, and not part of what I was intended to be listening to. It said something to me about our moment that I had to make a conscious decision to listen through the noise rather than to it.</p>
<p>Alan, regarding the &#8220;diva figuration&#8221;: Yeah, that&#8217;s a clear distinction: (1) how that sound &#8212; a woman&#8217;s erotic-yet-generic, wan-yet-charismatic voice &#8212; functions in electronic music, and (2) the separate issue of whether there&#8217;s an appeal to the listener. They are separate matters, I agree. You bring it around with the &#8220;In McDonalds&#8221; track, and your sense that to Burial (you have as Bill Cowan, and I saw &#8220;William Bevan&#8221; in The Independent &#8212; any sense of which is what?) that presence is a representation of a sense of loss, traced to early, now halcyon house-partying. Makes sense to me. As such voices go, the one on this track bothers me less than most, but still a distraction when it comes around. And now when I listen to it, I’m going to hear your nostalgia tinge.</p>
<p>Lauren: If it&#8217;s not too much to ask, and only if your listening is taking you in that direction, could you talk a bit more about the &#8220;ghostly ambient whispers,&#8221; since Alan and I found them off-putting? </p>
<p>And Colin, thanks for having posted. I&#8217;ve been listening to the latest Jon Hassell a lot, and I heard what you hear &#8212; much as I hear a lot of My Life in the Bush of Ghosts, as well as some of Peter Gabriel&#8217;s soundtrack work (Birdy, Last Temptation). (That said, I also hear a lot of Bitches Brew and In a Silent Way in the latest Hassell, so there&#8217;s always these cycles of repetition and homage.) I have a side question for you (if you happen upon this post again), which is what you think of the “packaging” of the release, given your website&#8217;s (hardformat.org) focus on the packaging/design of music.</p>
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